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Frank Ocean doesnt do a whole lot of interviews.

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However, social media helps that, cause youre fully in control and can message that how you want.

(As it happens, hed justmade his Instagram public.)

Howd they land Ocean?

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Thus began a discussion of collaborating on something, and he agreed to be shot by Collier Schorr.

It took a long time for it to all come together, says Jackson.

He is very intentional.

Read the full interviewhere.

Some of the good parts are excerpted below:

Do you watchRuPauls Drag Race?Sometimes.

I have a friend who really likes it, so Ive seen a few episodes.

But I dont really keep up with it like I should.

RuPaul has this famous quote: Were all born naked, and the rest is drag.

Ive never considered that.

It was born from a need.

Ive been in a relationship for three years.

I definitely wasnt using dating apps before then.

I dont think I would use dating apps now.

I cant do it.

You recently made your Instagram public.

Its just another form of expressing yourself.

I dont know about purity.

It depends on what you want.

I think that helps you become prey, because somebody can manipulate you with those things.

Then you may get to a point in your experience where you become disillusioned with those things.

If those things dont help you reach your defined priorities, then what are those things there for?

For me, its aboutWhy am I doing this?

What exactly do I want from this?

And how do I get those specific things I want out of this?

And what does success look like on those terms?

A lot of the people who told me I was crazy were completely well-intentioned.

They werent trying to sabotage me.

Its hard to see what somebody else sees sometimes.